Imagination Engineering — Eve Bouffard, Head of Design, Y Combinator
频道: AI Engineer
视频: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Erdirpudo
原文语言: en
统计: 共 11 轮 · Eve 11
[0:01] Eve
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[0:13] Eve
Hi everyone. Thanks so much for coming. I'm actually really surprised that the room is so full cuz imagination engineering is like a really weird term. I'm really surprised that you showed up to learn more about it. Um the reason I called this talk imagination engineering is because I've been thinking about in how incredibly capable the recent models are, especially today with Fable 5 coming back. And I think that the new bottleneck will be to come up with like crazy ideas because it's going to be really easy to one-shot absolutely everything and anything very soon. And so I think that the thing that we can reflect on that will be the most valuable for the world right now is how to stretch our mind and how to invent things that don't think are possible right now. And the reason I took this um that I created with ChatGPT this image, it's the Library of Alexandria, which was like the center of knowledge uh many thousand years ago. And I feel like we're in a very similar period in our in the human history right now where we should be thinking about how to consolidate all the knowledge and how to create more knowledge for our species. Um and so I thought I thought today I could share with you a really weird experiment that I started uh a week ago. And I was one of the or if you don't know, I work at YC. I lead design at YC and I have the privilege to work with wonderful, wonderful minds. The partners there are incredible. The engineers that I get to work with are phenomenal. And um there's a wonderful person that I used to work with at YC and he's now at Conductor. Um his name is Lewis and he created a Slack channel in the Conductor Slack called Lewis Thoughts. And ever since then, he's been sharing his stream of consciousness of everything that hits his mind. And it is a way for everyone on the Conductor team to see what's going on in his mind as he's thinking about features and how to make the product better. And I was heavily inspired by his approach, and I did the same for the YC Slack, and I created Eve Thoughts.
大家好，非常感谢你们能来。说实话我挺意外这屋子坐得这么满，因为 imagination engineering（想象力工程）是个挺奇怪的词，你们居然愿意来了解它，我真的很惊讶。我之所以把这场演讲叫「想象力工程」，是因为我一直在思考：最近的模型能力已经强到不可思议了，尤其是今天 Fable 5 也回归了。我认为新的瓶颈将会是「能不能想出足够疯狂的点子」——因为很快，任何东西都能轻轻松松一次成型（one-shot）。所以我觉得，眼下对世界最有价值的思考，是如何拉伸我们的思维边界，去发明那些我们现在觉得根本不可能的东西。我放这张图——这是我用 ChatGPT 生成的——画的是亚历山大图书馆，几千年前的知识中心。我觉得我们现在正处在人类历史上一个非常相似的时期，我们应该思考如何汇聚所有的知识，并为我们这个物种创造更多知识。所以我想，今天可以跟大家分享一个我一周前开始的、非常奇怪的实验。先自我介绍一下：我在 YC（Y Combinator）工作，负责 YC 的设计，有幸和一群非常出色的头脑共事——那里的合伙人都很了不起，一起工作的工程师也都非常厉害。有一位我以前在 YC 共事过的很棒的同事，现在在 Conductor，他叫 Lewis。他在 Conductor 的 Slack 里建了一个频道，叫 Lewis Thoughts（Lewis 的想法）。从那以后，他就一直在里面分享脑子里闪过的一切——他的意识流。这样 Conductor 团队的每个人都能看到，他在琢磨功能、琢磨怎么把产品做得更好时，脑子里到底在想什么。我深受他这个做法的启发，于是在 YC 的 Slack 里也照做了一个，建了 Eve Thoughts。
[2:19] Eve
And for a week have been brain dumping everything that has crossed my mind. And 2 days ago, I asked Opus 4.8, I wish it was Fable, but it was Opus 4.8 on Saturday to make a website that encapsulate all the thoughts that I had in the last week. And it came up with something that is quite magical and phenomenal, and I kind of felt like um it was AGI. And I'm excited to share with you the result and to share the wonder and the awe that I feel towards technology currently. Um maybe to take a take a step back before I show you the website is I work at YC, and one of the big reasons why I work at YC is many probably know about this wonderful mind, Paul Graham. He's arguably one of the most intricate minds in our generation, and it's one of the reasons why I work at YC. And um what I think is truly phenomenal about PG is that not only he's a phenomenal thinker and phenomenal brain, but he also shares his brain and how his mind works with the world. And one of the main reasons why YC has been so successful is because his essays are still echoing to this day, and people are applying to YC because of his essays. And um I've been thinking, you know, we we hear very often about like building in public, you know, building open source or like sharing how you build things. But what about thinking in public? And it's basically what PG is doing, thinking in public. And this is the experiment that I wanted to run with Eve's thoughts, the Slack channel on the YC channel. The YC Slack. It was what if I thought in public and I allowed a few people that I highly trust at YC to have access to my stream of consciousness. And it does feel a little bit sci-fi. Um but at the same time it's sort of an experiment that I really wanted to see the light of. Um and see where it goes. So I can show you an experiment I can show you actually what it looks like.
接下来的一周里，我把脑子里闪过的所有东西都倾倒了进去。两天前，也就是周六，我让 Opus 4.8——我本来希望是 Fable，但当时只有 Opus 4.8——做一个网站，把我过去一周的所有想法都封装进去。它做出来的东西相当神奇、相当惊艳，我当时甚至有种「这就是 AGI」的感觉。我很兴奋能跟大家分享这个成果，也分享我此刻对技术的那种惊叹和敬畏。在展示网站之前，先退一步说说背景。我在 YC 工作，其中一个重要原因是一个大家可能都知道的了不起的头脑——Paul Graham。他可以说是我们这一代最缜密精深的头脑之一，这也是我加入 YC 的原因之一。我觉得 PG 真正了不起的地方在于：他不仅是一个卓越的思考者、拥有卓越的大脑，他还把自己的大脑、把自己思维的运作方式分享给了全世界。YC 之所以如此成功，一个主要原因就是他的那些文章至今仍在回响，很多人就是因为读了他的文章才申请 YC 的。于是我一直在想：我们经常听到 building in public（公开构建）——开源、分享你怎么做东西。那 thinking in public（公开思考）呢？PG 做的其实就是公开思考。这就是我想用 Eve Thoughts——YC Slack 上那个频道——来跑的实验：如果我公开地思考，让几位我在 YC 高度信任的人可以直接访问我的意识流，会怎么样？这确实有点科幻的感觉，但同时也是一个我真心想让它落地的实验，想看看它会走向哪里。所以我可以给大家展示一下它实际长什么样。
[4:21] Eve
Uh evebufar. com And so this was an iteration uh no it was actually like an aggregation of all the thoughts that I've been dumping in this Eve Slack channel for a week. And it picked up on the fact that I love art. And so it allows me to customize the background here. Um it picked up on some of the quotes that I truly admire. It picked up on the projects that I've been working on at YC. Picked up on some of the media that I've been doing. It picked up on the tools that I use on a daily basis. It picked up on all the books that have changed my life. Some of them are in French because I grew up speaking French up until I was 21. Um the books that I want to read, some quotes. One One my favorite quote of all time is PG quote that says live in the future and then we'll build what's missing. I feel like it's a great prompt for everyone here. How can we live in the future and build and then build what's missing? Um another So there's this famous quote by Steve Jobs like computers are the bicycle of their minds and Gary always says that with Fable and these insanely capable models it's like a rocket mind like a rocket ship for the minds. It's no longer a bicycle. Um which I loved he made me laugh like on Sunday when he said that. Um and it also picked up on like a train of thought. Um, and like many, many thoughts cuz my brain has many, many thoughts. It's actually like sometimes overflowing with thoughts. So, I was able to capture everything as I was brain dumping in the Slack channel. Um, I can also share a little bit more about the fun things that it came up with. Like for example, um, it loves it knows that I love paper sheeters. Paper, if you know, it's a a new design tool. Um, I can show you the website if you want. I love their product. And I specifically love their sheeters.
网址是 evebouffard.com。这其实是对我这一周在 Eve Slack 频道里倾倒的所有想法的一次聚合。它捕捉到了我热爱艺术这一点，所以允许我在这里自定义背景。它还捕捉到了一些我特别欣赏的名言，捕捉到了我在 YC 做的项目、我参与过的一些媒体内容、我每天在用的工具，还有所有改变过我人生的书——其中有几本是法语的，因为我 21 岁之前一直说法语长大。还有我想读的书单、一些名言。我最喜欢的一句话是 PG 说的：「活在未来，然后把缺失的东西造出来。」我觉得这对在座各位是个绝佳的 prompt：我们如何活在未来，然后把缺失的东西造出来？另外，Steve Jobs 有句名言说「计算机是心灵的自行车」，而 Gary 总说，有了 Fable 和这些能力惊人的模型，那已经是「心灵的火箭」了——是思维的火箭飞船，不再是自行车了。这话我特别喜欢，他周日说这话的时候把我逗笑了。它还捕捉到了我的一条思路线索，以及非常非常多的想法——因为我脑子里的想法真的太多了，有时候多到要溢出来。所以当我往 Slack 频道里倾倒时，它把这一切都捕捉了下来。我还可以再分享一些它搞出来的好玩的东西。比如，它知道我喜欢 Paper 的 shaders（着色器）。Paper，如果你不了解的话，是一个新的设计工具。我可以给你们看看他们的网站，我很喜欢他们的产品，尤其喜欢他们的 shaders。
[6:22] Eve
I think I can do it here. Specifically love their sheeters. They're all cloud code compatible and you can use them for all your creative projects. And so, uh, whoops, it picked up on this. And it allows me to apply sheeters to my background. I can hide this. And you can you get to see the most beautiful pieces of art in human history with some very fun sheeters. Just kind of fun. You can do it this here. And then you can even like customize all these things. And I think the future of design will be just a lot of sliders. Um, and I can revert. And it also allowed me to uh, I can like do dark mode for the reader. Um, it allows me to customize absolutely everything about the font and typeface and the width, everything. Oh, if you speak foreign languages, it also converted or translated everything that is on the website depending on whatever language you want. But I think going back to the how to think in public and how to build in public, I wanted to experiment with, okay, what if I made sort of a dashboard of what this website consists of. And so, what is the stack of this website? And also some of the an early version of a design system to keep everything consistent. Um, I also experimented with toolkit to allow to hold myself accountable to make sure that everything about this um this project as a webpage is uh complete. And so, Claude made this really lovely list of all the things that I should be that I should hit including like an open graph picture and things like that. Um, but yeah, there's so many things that I want to show here. So, I asked it to create a voice on MD which um it picked up on all the writings that it could find on the internet that was written by me including my tweets and everything and then it made it distilled it into an MD file that is my tone and what makes me unique as a person.
我想在这里就能演示。我特别喜欢他们的 shaders，它们全都兼容 Claude Code，可以用在你的各种创意项目里。所以——哎呀——它捕捉到了这一点，让我可以把 shaders 应用到背景上。我可以把这个隐藏掉，然后你就能看到人类历史上最美的艺术作品，配上一些非常有趣的 shaders，就是图个好玩。你可以在这里操作，甚至还能自定义所有这些参数。我觉得设计的未来大概就是一大堆滑块。当然我也可以一键还原。它还允许我给阅读器开暗色模式，可以自定义字体、字型、宽度……关于排版的一切都能调。哦对了，如果你说外语，它还把网站上的所有内容都翻译成了你想要的任意语言。不过回到「如何公开思考、如何公开构建」这个主题，我还想做一个实验：如果我给这个网站做一个「仪表盘」，展示它是由什么构成的呢？比如这个网站的技术栈是什么？还有一版早期的设计系统，用来保证整体一致性。我还试验了一个 toolkit，用来督促我自己，确保这个网页项目的方方面面都做完整。于是 Claude 列了一份特别贴心的清单，列出我该完成的所有事项，包括 Open Graph 图片之类的东西。这里想展示的东西实在太多了。我还让它生成了一个 voice.md——它把互联网上能找到的所有我写的东西，包括我的推文，全都收集起来，提炼成一个 MD 文件，描述我的语气语调，以及我作为一个人的独特之处。
[8:23] Eve
And it's kind of crazy to read it. And I asked it to do the same for my for the design language of this website. And whenever I make a a change to the design of this website or create a new uh component, it automatically updates it. Um, and I can also show I created a few skills for myself that I can in invoke at any given point. Um but the real real fun project that I wanted to show today was we're in in imagination engineering and so, thinking about how the most beautiful fertile minds in history were thinking and what is the commonality between all of these beautiful minds. And so, this morning started at 10:00 a.m. at my favorite coffee shop in the marina uh with Opus 4.8 because Fable was not out at this point. I created this really fun tool. I call it Shape of Minds and it's a way for us to find commonality across different dimensions of the most beautiful brains in the history of humanity. Um and I can show you a little bit. It is uh highly responsive. You can just hover over all of these beautiful minds and it tells you what makes this person unique or in the dimension of thinking for example, how is Bach unique? And it's all like you can see them the spikiest minds uh based on this different dimension. So, I wanted to explore their thinking, their obsessions, their quirks, their origins, you know, it's interesting cuz here for example, there are a lot of Germans in these uh in these great minds. Um their routine, prolific output, workaholic, unsurprisingly I guess. For love, interests, worldview, religion, habits, knowledge. And because I didn't want to bore you too much with all of this overload of information, I asked Fable to come up with the highlights, the most interesting things that it picked up on uh when it came to the commonality or spikiness of some of these minds across the different dimensions.
读到它的时候感觉真的很疯狂。我还让它对这个网站的设计语言做了同样的事：每当我修改网站的设计、或者创建一个新组件时，它都会自动更新那个文件。我还给自己创建了几个 skills，随时都能调用。不过今天真正想展示的最好玩的项目是这个——我们这场讲的是「想象力工程」嘛，所以我在思考：历史上那些最美妙、最丰饶的头脑是怎么思考的？这些美妙头脑之间的共性是什么？于是今天早上十点，我在 Marina 我最喜欢的咖啡馆里，用 Opus 4.8——因为那时 Fable 还没发布——做了这个特别好玩的工具。我把它叫做 Shape of Minds（心智的形状），它能让我们在不同维度上，寻找人类历史上那些最美妙大脑之间的共性。我可以稍微演示一下。它的交互响应非常灵敏，你只要把鼠标悬停在这些伟大头脑上，它就会告诉你这个人独特在哪里。比如在「思维」这个维度上，Bach（巴赫）独特在哪？你还能看到在各个维度上「最尖锐突出」的那些头脑。我想探索的维度包括：他们的思维方式、他们的执念、他们的怪癖、他们的出身——挺有意思的，比如你会发现这些伟大头脑里德国人特别多——还有他们的日常作息：高产、工作狂，这大概不算意外。还有爱情、兴趣、世界观、宗教、习惯、知识。因为我不想用这么大的信息量把大家淹没，所以我让 Fable 提炼出了一些亮点——它在这些头脑跨维度的共性或独特尖峰里，发现的最有意思的东西。
[10:32] Eve
And there are really interesting things and I'm going to discover them with you because I haven't had time to read them before uh presenting here cuz this was generated about 20 minutes ago, right before. Um so let's see. I guess people these people like to to argue. Um a lot of them were childless. Uh not sure what this means. Um oh yeah, naps naps were very popular among the best minds. Um they barely ate. This is an interesting one. Um and yeah, anyway, all of this is public so if you want to uh look at the highlights, it's um it's quite soul nourishing and mind nourishing to look at this. Um and I also created a design so if you had not um picked up on this, the entire design language of this tool that I built this morning was in celebration of the Fable 5 campaign that came back. Um and so I asked uh Fable to extract all the butterflies from this and then turn them into individual components that I can use for the design language of this project. Um what else can I share? Um oh, this is a MD of it's a glossary of all the information that is displayed on this project. Super easily readable by the agents and it's a lot more efficient than having the agent look at this page, obviously. And funny enough, I made this page this morning when I started working on this project and I knew that I had a a deadline to hit and so I made a timer for myself uh when I started 10:10 a.m. so that I knew exactly how much time I had to work on this project to accomplish the task that I needed to accomplish. Um and yeah, it's all like software on demand. Whatever like whatever stream of consciousness you have, you should just ask an agent to do it for you. Um like all of this is AI. I have generated this picture which I kind of thought was cool. You can probably recognize some of these cool faces like Da Vinci, Salvador Dali, Marie Curie, Nikola Tesla, Einstein.
里面有一些非常有意思的发现，我要和大家一起现场看，因为我上台前根本没来得及读——这些内容大概是 20 分钟前才生成的，就在演讲开始之前。我们来看看。嗯，看来这些人（那些伟大的头脑）很喜欢争论。其中很多人没有孩子——不太确定这说明了什么。哦对，午睡——午睡在这些最聪明的大脑中非常流行。还有，他们吃得很少，这条挺有意思的。总之，这些内容全是公开的，如果你想看这些精华摘录，读起来真的很滋养心灵、滋养头脑。我还专门做了一套设计——如果你还没注意到的话，我今天早上做的这个工具，它整套设计语言就是在致敬回归的 Fable 5 campaign。我让 Fable 从里面把所有蝴蝶都提取出来，然后做成一个个独立组件，用作这个项目的设计语言。还有什么可以分享的？哦，这个是一份 Markdown 文件，是这个项目里展示的所有信息的一个术语表（glossary），agent 读起来非常方便，比让 agent 直接去看这个页面高效多了，这是显然的。有意思的是，这个页面是我今天早上开始做这个项目时做的。我知道自己有一个 deadline 要赶，所以我给自己做了一个计时器——从早上 10 点 10 分开始计时，这样我就清楚地知道还剩多少时间来完成要完成的任务。是的，这就是所谓的 software on demand（按需软件）：不管你脑子里冒出什么念头，你都应该直接让 agent 帮你实现。这些全都是 AI 做的。我还生成了这张图，我觉得挺酷的——你们大概能认出里面一些熟悉的面孔：达芬奇、萨尔瓦多·达利、居里夫人、尼古拉·特斯拉、爱因斯坦。
[12:47] Eve
Um and yeah, they're only I have 5 minutes left. What can I share? Um I can share I can share so I love to make people smile. I love to make people smile when I can. And um a great way for me to make people smile is to use a lot of emojis um especially in the company Slack. And um it was always a pain to find the emoji that I wanted to use to make people smile in the Slack. It was like very inefficient for me to find that. So I created this tool for myself where I can just like search for a random fun stupid Slack emoji as a reaction um for my Slack and same thing for these here. They're kind of fun. I specifically like this one. And this is like the regular iOS emoji picker, which I kind of always struggle with. I never find the thing that I'm looking for and so I just built it for myself and you can like by a click just copy. Another fun thing that I built is I always, you know, we're all students of life and we're all trying to learn as much as possible and with these these new models we can
好，我只剩 5 分钟了，还能分享点什么呢？嗯，我可以分享这个——我特别喜欢逗人笑，只要有机会就想让别人开心。而对我来说，逗人笑的一个好办法就是用大量 emoji，尤其是在公司的 Slack 里。但过去每次想在 Slack 里找到那个能逗笑别人的 emoji 都特别痛苦，找起来效率非常低。所以我给自己做了这个工具：我可以直接搜索一个随机的、好玩的、傻乎乎的 Slack emoji，用作 Slack 里的 reaction。这边这些也是一样的，都挺有意思的，我特别喜欢这一个。还有这个，就是普通的 iOS emoji 选择器——我用它的时候总是很挣扎，永远找不到我想要的那个。所以我干脆给自己做了一个，点一下就能直接复制。另一个我做的好玩的东西是——你们知道的，我们都是终身学习者，都想尽可能多地学习，而有了这些新模型，我们可以……
[13:55] Eve
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[13:56] Eve
learn at a pace that was never possible before. And so whenever you have a stream of consciousness about something that you'd like to work on you should just ask it. You should you should just get ask a a model to prepare like a little like report for you on this topic and that's what I started doing a few few days ago. All these things are things that I would have that I love to would love to deepen my understanding of and would still make it very efficient. And so I just explored a few concepts like the 10 principles of good design and um like Renaissance patronage is also something that I'm fascinated by right now. And so it just cooked up like a short very short report for me that I can digest as I'm on my way to work or I'm coming back from an event or something like that. That's why I'm so excited about Cloud Workspaces as well is because it's going to be very possible very soon with Conductor Cloud to be able to spin off a bunch of agents on the go as I'm like traveling from one place to another. But yeah, feel like I can I can stop there. I don't want to overload you with a lot of things, but another interesting thing that I created is like this the backlog of all the changes on this website as I was making the final tweaks to the shape of mine a few minutes ago, 25 minutes ago. And you can see like the evolution of that repo over time. Um But yeah. I guess I can I can end early, and if you have questions, I am happy to take it. Uh to take questions. All of this is an experiment, and I would love to learn from you guys on how you're experimenting with models. Um Yeah.
……以一种以前完全不可能的速度学习。所以每当你脑子里冒出一个想深入研究的念头，你就应该直接开口问——直接让模型给你准备一份关于这个主题的小报告。这就是我几天前开始做的事情。这里列的都是我很想加深理解的主题，而且这种方式非常高效。我探索了几个概念，比如「好设计的十条原则」，还有「文艺复兴时期的赞助人制度」（Renaissance patronage）——这也是我最近特别着迷的东西。模型就给我做出了一份很短很短的报告，我可以在上班路上、或者参加完活动回家的路上消化掉。这也是为什么我对 Cloud Workspaces 这么兴奋——因为很快，借助 Conductor Cloud，我就能在路上、在从一个地方赶往另一个地方的途中，随手启动一堆 agent 干活。不过我觉得可以讲到这里了，不想一下子给大家灌太多东西。还有一个有意思的东西：这是这个网站所有改动的 backlog——就在几分钟前，准确说是 25 分钟前，我还在对它做最后的微调，你可以看到这个 repo 随时间的演变过程。好，那我就提前收尾吧。如果大家有问题，我很乐意回答。这一切都是一场实验，我也很想向在座各位学习，听听你们是怎么用模型做实验的。谢谢。
[16:02] Eve
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